Comment 1 Ryan Abel 2008-10-03 12:34:19 UTC

In reply to comment #0)
> Although I am not a big fan of having this karma and thumbs down on planet
> maemo ... but now that it is in place, it would be very nice if these thumbs down
> do no affect the karma.

Clearly valuable contributors have been hit hard by negative karma when saying
things that are unpopular with developers
(http://maemo.org/profile/view/thoughtfix/). This is a broken behavior that 
encourages a sort of nasty groupthink through karma punishment and it needs to
be fixed. I _don't_ think we should encourage off-topic postings to Planet
(sanitize your feeds, please), though, so thumbs must factor into the karma
calculation for blog posts.

So, a blog post with 2 hearts and 13 thumbs should give the poster 0 additional
karma points, but shouldn't take any away.

> For whatever reasons my blogs get thumbs down and because of that my karma is way too low.
> 

Well, usually they get thumbs down for being clearly off-topic (I really don't
care about weekends in a Finnish cottage) or for not clearly being related to
Maemo (Fremantle plans were only announced recently, so how were we supposed to
know?).

> (especially for Maemo Software employees)
>

Now this is just silly. Being a Nokia employee doesn't automatically make you a
more important member the community, nor except you from the rules of the
community. If you want karma, you have to earn it.

Comment 2 Quim Gil 2008-10-03 12:44:17 UTC

(In reply to comment #1)
> So, a blog post with 2 hearts and 13 thumbs should give the poster 0 additional
> karma points, but shouldn't take any away.

Agreed.


> > (especially for Maemo Software employees)
> >
> 
> Now this is just silly. Being a Nokia employee doesn't automatically make you

Looking at his sentence, I think he was simply questioning karma in general,
and specifically applied to Maemo SW employees. Not because we are more/less
important in the community but because we might be playing in different
conditions. Like myself getting lots of karma points thanks to community tasks
that are part of my paid job or developers like Zeeshan getting 0 karma points
for their Nokia software releases.  ;) 

But that's another topic not even worth considering. Back to topic.

> So, a blog post with 2 hearts and 13 thumbs should give the poster 0 additional
> karma points, but shouldn't take any away.

  That is good to hear.

> > For whatever reasons my blogs get thumbs down and because of that my karma is way too low.
> > 
> 
> Well, usually they get thumbs down for being clearly off-topic (I really don't
> care about weekends in a Finnish cottage) or for not clearly being related to
> Maemo (Fremantle plans were only announced recently, so how were we supposed to
> know?).

  Maybe you can setup a way for me to specify if a blog post is related to
maemo or not? Perhaps through tags would be the best approach. If not, at least
you can put-up the tags appear on the webpage so the viewers have a way to
know.

  The policy of planet GNOME is different and I dont have time and energy to
keep separate blogs for separate planets. GUPnP is obviously related to Maemo
since I've made it very clear in my blogs that it's specifically meant of GNOME
and embedded world. Both of these facts together obviously makes it
Maemo-related, wether or not it's officially part of Maemo.

  Now that Fremantle plans are open, how do you explain the fact that I got two
thumbs down to my recent blog that was about GUPnP and Farsight2 compared to
one thumbs-up (actually there were 2 if you count my action as well)?

  Anyways! As i promised as soon as I get some time, I'll write a nice blog
entry about the relationship of my work with Maemo. If I still get thumbs down,
I suspect some stupid politics going on.

> > (especially for Maemo Software employees)
> >
> 
> Now this is just silly. Being a Nokia employee doesn't automatically make you a
> more important member the community, nor except you from the rules of the
> community. If you want karma, you have to earn it.
> 

I didn't say I am more important but pointing to the fact that this karma stuff
is just bullshit and specifically for Maemo SW (not saying general Nokia)
employees. I am sorry if you don't see that.

Comment 4 Ryan Abel 2008-10-03 13:11:01 UTC

(In reply to comment #3)
>   Now that Fremantle plans are open, how do you explain the fact that I got two
> thumbs down to my recent blog that was about GUPnP and Farsight2 compared to
> one thumbs-up (actually there were 2 if you count my action as well)?
> 

Because not everybody knows every detail of those plans? Or they simply don't
care about GUPnP?

Either way, don't take it personally. :)

> I didn't say I am more important but pointing to the fact that this karma stuff
> is just bullshit and specifically for Maemo SW (not saying general Nokia)
> employees. I am sorry if you don't see that.
> 

Karma attempts to measure participation in a community, nothing more. If your
work is taking place in an upstream project, or behind closed door at Nokia,
then, clearly, you aren't participating in this community. Myself, I haven't
seen you participating the community outside of blogging on Planet, so it seems
like a low karma is appropriate and accurate. . . .

Whatever! couldn't care less. I contribute to the community as much as possible
and those who know me, know this for a fact. Kindly just remove me from planet
maemo.

Comment 6 Ryan Abel 2008-10-03 13:21:45 UTC

(In reply to comment #5)
> Whatever! couldn't care less. I contribute to the community as much as possible
> and those who know me, know this for a fact. Kindly just remove me from planet
> maemo.
> 

C'mon now, nothing was meant by it. It's a simple discussion that certainly
didn't need to come to this.

Reopening, as whatever the feelings of the reporter, it's clearly a valid bug.

(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > Whatever! couldn't care less. I contribute to the community as much as possible
> > and those who know me, know this for a fact. Kindly just remove me from planet
> > maemo.
> > 
> 
> C'mon now, nothing was meant by it. It's a simple discussion that certainly
> didn't need to come to this.

  Whatever! Please remove my blog feed from the planet.

> Reopening, as whatever the feelings of the reporter, it's clearly a valid bug.

  Fine by me.

Comment 8 Quim Gil 2008-10-03 13:40:18 UTC

(In reply to comment #3)

>   Maybe you can setup a way for me to specify if a blog post is related to
> maemo or not?

What people do is to have a Maemo tag or category in their blog, and this
generates the related feed (most engines support them nowadays). 

You keep posting in your blog as you do, adding to the Maemo category/tag only
those posts related to Maemo.

You keep your feed in GNOME as it is. You change to the Maemo feed in
maemo.org. All your posts appear in Planet GNOME following the policy there.
Only the Maemo related posts appear in Planet Maemo following the maemo.org
policy.

No extra work for you, no double blogs setup and everybody happy.

Comment 9 Dave Neary 2008-10-03 13:41:10 UTC

Accepting bug - it's an easy fix.

Comment 10 Dave Neary 2008-10-03 13:43:25 UTC

Proposed fix:

Add the following at line 140 of
http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midcom/net.nehmer.account/calculator.php:

if ($blog_score < 0) { $blog_score = 0;}

This will set the minimum score for a blog entry to 1.

Dave.

Comment 11 Quim Gil 2008-11-04 23:42:49 UTC

High priority, as agreed at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/November_08
meeting.

Comment 12 Dave Neary 2008-11-10 16:31:04 UTC

Assigning to Henri for review of comment #10

Patrik is looking at this today.

<a href="https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3767#c10">Proposed fix</a> done
in http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/18678 , should go live in the next
update, which is planned for 2008-11-14