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|Summary:||FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected|
|Product:||[Maemo Official Platform] Multimedia||Reporter:||Oli G. Håkansson <olighak>|
|Component:||FM Transmitter||Assignee:||unassigned <nobody>|
|Status:||RESOLVED FIXED||QA Contact:||fmtx-bugs|
|Priority:||Low||CC:||andre_klapper, bugsmaemo, cweedon, darren.long, dovdevel, etuoyo, g.real.ate, matysik, mehulrajput, moodi_salem, nivw2008, olighak, pwuertz, radusebastian_capitanu, sgbirch, Tie-fighter, urho.konttori, w.wroblewski, wilsoncompany|
SOFTWARE VERSION: (Settings > General > About product) EXACT STEPS LEADING TO PROBLEM: Driving down the highway, playing music from the N900 on the car's audio system. The device complains about battery being low and car charges is hence plugged in. 1. Driving listening to FM transmitter music on car radio 2. Phone needs charging 3. USB cable is plugged in 4. FM transmitter disconnects and won't power on again EXPECTED OUTCOME: N900 charges and music keeps playing ACTUAL OUTCOME: N900 denies to charge while USB cable is plugged in. REPRODUCIBILITY: Always EXTRA SOFTWARE INSTALLED: Not relevant OTHER COMMENTS: This is obviously thought out by Maemo team, since a yellow message appears telling me that the transmitter can not be used while USB cable is plugged in. A absolutely rediculous decision by the team given that the battery drains faster on the media player than most other applications, and will undoubtedly need recharging. If you're going to keep the USB port and transmitter from being used at the same time you better add a separate power port to the device. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:18.104.22.168) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
The above should have read ACTUAL OUTCOME: N900 denies to use FM transmitter while USB cable is plugged in and charging.
(In reply to comment #0) > EXACT STEPS LEADING TO PROBLEM: > Driving down the highway, playing music from the N900 on the car's audio > system. The device complains about battery being low and car charges is hence > plugged in. Which model is this. DC-10 USB charger? When plugging in that charger, is there the popup on the N900 asking you about Mass storage / PC Suite mode? If so, which decision was made? > ACTUAL OUTCOME: > N900 denies to charge while USB cable is plugged in. For future reference, an exact error message is welcome. I *assume* it is "FM Transmitter cannot be used while USB is plugged. Unplug the USB to continue using FM Transmitter." > OTHER COMMENTS: > This is obviously thought out by Maemo team, since a yellow message appears > telling me that the transmitter can not be used while USB cable is plugged in. > A absolutely rediculous decision by the team given Any need to insult here if you have no clue what's going on? (See, I can also insult. ;-) This is a bug. Showing that current message is WRONG. Hence it's not a "decision" or something.
No this is DC-6 car charger. As said I am driving down the road using the fm transmitter and the N900 asks for juice. The N900 does not ask about mass storage mode nor PC Suite mode. This is just a charger. You are right about the message displayed :)
If you can't charge and use the FM transmitter at the same time then the FM transmitter is virtually unusable for its most common use - whilst driving.
(In reply to comment #4) > If you can't charge and use the FM transmitter at the same time then the FM > transmitter is virtually unusable for its most common use - whilst driving. I think that's clear to everybody - no news in that comment.
This has been fixed in package fmtx-middleware 0.52+0m5 which is part of the internal build version 2009.51-5 (Note: 2009 is the year, and the number after is the week.) A future public update released with the year/week later than this internal build version will include the fix. (This is not always already the next public update.) Please verify that this new version fixes the bug by marking this bug report as VERIFIED after the public update has been released and if you have some time. To answer popular followup questions: * Nokia does not announce release dates of public updates in advance. * There is currently no access to these internal, non-public build versions. A Brainstorm proposal exists at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/undelayed_bugfix_releases_for_nokia_open_source_packages-002/
I get no error message when I plug in a USB charger with the FM Tx active, I just get a massive drop in signal strength on the FM receiver. Is this the same issue, or a different one?
Sounds quite similar to me...
Here is a workaround for the FM power level drop, this should help people until the new firmware is available. Be warned, the way it works is just a guess, it might be wrong. The FM transmitter power level can be viewed thus: $ cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level This is changed via a dbus call when power is applied to the micro USB cable, at that time the reported power level drops from 112 to 88. As a quick hack you can use a small program to override this (run as root) so the FM transmitter runs at full power even when charging: #!/usr/bin/python import time FILENAME = '/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level' def main(): while True: f = open(FILENAME) power = f.read() f.close() if power == '88\n': print 'Increasing power to 112' f = open(FILENAME, 'w') f.write('112') f.close() time.sleep(2) if __name__ == '__main__': main()
*** Bug 7420 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
May I ask why the transmitter reduces power level when a usb cable / charger is plugged in? Thermal concerns?
Almost certaintly the reason is regulatory concerns. The USB lead will act as an antenna to some degree. This will increase the emitted power of the tx, perhaps enough to violate regulations - which are quite tight in some countries - in some circumstances.
afaik, reason is that some usb chargers will act as antenna -> thus, increasing the total output power. It's not possible to detect if this is the case -> it must lower power always
(Fix not included in today's 2.2009.51-1 update => updating Version field)
*** Bug 8097 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
*** Bug 8223 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
(In reply to comment #2) Hi! I'm using DC-6 and I have 2.2009.51-1 firmware. In my case the N900 ask about Mass storage / PC Suite mode and when I disconect the charger and try to activate FM Transmision a pop-up is telling me that I can't broadcast with the USB cable connected. The problem is that the cable is already disconnected so I have to restart my phone to broadcast again.
Now that the bug has been fixed: Would it be possible to create some kind of user-accessible setup for these kinds of regulatory things that the engineers cannot predict, maybe set to the most restrictive setting by default? I can accept that reducing the power is required in some locations of the earth, using some chargers, under some conditions. But I find it a bit overkill to render the FM-TX useless for many users because of this by enforcing it for everyone. My charger cable for example does not seem to work as an antenna (at least not in the 100MHz-frequency band), which unfortunately ment I could not listen to music while driving through the Atacama desert last week even though it would have easily been technically possible. I would have highly appreciated such an option, because while high TX-power might be a concern in New York City or Stockholm, in many parts of the world simply no one cares and the N900's usability suffers for nothing...
*** Bug 9224 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
(In reply to comment #18) > Would it be possible to create some kind of user-accessible setup http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ should be a good place for this.
*** Bug 9333 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Setting explicit PR1.2 milestone (so it's clearer in which public release the fix will be available to users). Sorry for the bugmail noise (you can filter on this message).
*** Bug 10191 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
After updating to the new firmware version (10.2010.19-1) this bug still exist for me.
(In reply to comment #24) > After updating to the new firmware version (10.2010.19-1) this bug still exist > for me. Please provide more information, e.g. steps and exact hardware.
I see the same problem as a couple of comments ago. Also PR1.2 here. Turn on FM transmitter in settings. Plug in USB cable not connected to anything - works OK. (the n900 cannot detect this) Plug other end of USB cable into computer, a yellow banner 'Unplug USB to continue using FM transmitter' And the transmitter is turned off, until the cable is unplugged from the host or the n900. This also happens when the headset is plugged in. This does not happen with the charger. This is clearly a bug, exactly what the bug is is another question. From an 'efficiency as an antenna' point of view - the USB lead plugged into a PC will be similar to USB plugged into a charger or a headset lead. Arguably the correct way to handle this is to reduce power when any of these events happens. Turning off the FM transmitter when the USB cable is plugged into a host, but not when plugged into a charger is clearly a bug.
*** Bug 10560 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
There are three users now stating that this does not work with a DC-6 charger in PR1.2, but let me check back with Nokia before reopening this...
I also confirm that the bug exists. I have upgraded to PR 1.2, when charging with usb, fm xmitter switch on gives error "usb device is connected".
Internal comments: "Retested in 10.2010.19-1 SSU-ed device. Tested with DC-6 charger. I am able to turn on FM transmitter with DC-6 charger connected. The only issue is that the transmission is interrupted after connecting the charger." "I guess that the USB cable/charger acts as an antenna bringing interferences to the FMTx. The signal from FMTx probably acts on the cable which in turn makes the ground signal for the FMTx dancing. IMHO there isn't much we can do."
I have the same problem as comment #17. My in car charger asks for "Mass Storage Mode" or "PC Suite" and I cannot charge while transmitting. The charger I have is a Belkin in car USB adapter http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002C3AFHG/ref=oss_product . Can someone tell me is there a workaround or something that I can do to enable transmission in this case? I am a developer and am willing to fix this if I can be given direction. Cheers!